White man came across the sea
He brought us pain and misery
He killed our tribes, he killed our creed
He took our game for his own need

We fought him hard we fought him well
Out on the plains we gave him hell
But many came too much for cree
Oh will we ever be set free?

Run to the hills run for your lives
Run to the hills run for your lives

Ivan Dimkovic: dok USA vojska manje-vise trosi pare na vodjenje kojekakvih besmislenih ratova sa Arapima sirom sveta.

Na kraju krajeva - neko i tebi moze da kaze da bacis svoj komp - tj. da ga zavaljas za vrece kukuruza i da ih posaljes deci u Africi... mislim nije fer da deca u africi gladuju dok ti surfas, ne? ;-)

What can we as surrealists or lunatics or astrologers or naturalists or anarcho-primitivists or Greens or werewolves or pagans or psychics or UFO groupies or other concerned members of the general public do?

We must soothe the Moon, we bandage her. We implore other celestial bodies and entities to aid her. We will not let her endure this crime or its grim aftermath alone.

We need to communicate to the Moon. Talk to her in our dreams, trances, or meditations, and prepare her for this shock and wound as best we can. Hold her, send out imaginative protection to her, and put our dream bodies out there in front of the bomb. Collectively, we can sabotage the bombing or by imagining all manner of things going wrong, or encouraging the Moon to increase her own magnetic shields. Sing to her. Give her back just a tiny portion of all that she has done for us. We are all created from Moon dust.

a1200: 
Da li ste za smanjenje:
- vojnog budzeta
- povlacenje ljudi iz ("humanitarnih") ratova
- budzeta tajnih sluzbi
- kao i budzeta NASE

zarad iskorenjivanja gladi i siromastva prvo medju domacim, a zatim i svetskim stanovnistvom?

Mislim da znam odgovor vecine... ali isto tako mislim da znam zasto se to pitanje u (nazovi) demokratskim nacijama nikad nece postaviti na referendumu... :)

a1200: pretpostavjlam da je logistika dopreme hrane, tamo gde je potrebna, slozenija od vojnih intervencija i mreza baza sirom planete

kao sto rekoh, referendum za pocetak - al' od toga nema nista.

a1200
Cije su to pare? Narodne?

Ako su narodne ajmo pravi demokratski referendum, da vidimo sta narod misli o trosenju budzeta na ratove, "security theater" i letove na mesec ... valjda je jasno da pojedinacni slucajevi ne cine nista. Tako niko nikome ne namece nista, nego se narod demokratski pita sta misli da bi pre trebalo uraditi sa tim parama. Ali do toga nece doci.

...
Da glupo je raspisati referendum, kad vec postoji nesto sto se zove "Lobiranje" - ili ti davanje para demokratski izabranim predstavnicima naroda, da bi oni proguravali ciljeve i interese grupa i pojedinaca koji to mogu da plate - to je verovatno mnogo bolji princip "demokratskog" delovanja. Mmmm, nesto smrdi na, na, korupciju... al' to je vec za strumfove.

a1200
Pa ja za razliku od tebe barem imam neku svest o tome, i spreman sam da uradim nesto, i odreknem se dela svog komoditeta zarad opsteg dobra

stil: Ja mislim da je to sve zbog nafte. Otvaraju uskoro busotinu gore. Pa kad krenu svemirski tankeri ima samo da prsti. :))) Znas kako u istrazivanjima je ko pre devojci ... Tako da ce da se vidi cega sve ima na Mesecu od korisnih resursa. Gde vam je osecaj za avanturu. :)

If Eros is typical of stony meteorites, then it contains about 3% metal. With the known abundance's of metals in meteorites, even a very cautious estimate suggests 20,000 million tonnes of aluminium along with similar amounts of gold, platinum and other rarer metals.

In the 2,900 cubic kms of Eros, there is more aluminium, gold, silver, zinc and other base and precious metals than have ever been excavated in history or indeed, could ever be excavated from the upper layers of the Earth's crust.

barakuda111: 24 minuta. Steta sto nemozemo da gledamo u mesec :)

NASA orbiter that will bomb the moon with a 2-ton kinetic weapon to create a 5 mile wide deep crater

izvor

Vašington -- Spektakularan živi prenos udarca dve rakete o južni mesečev pol, koji je NASA najavila, nije uspeo. Ekrani su se zamaglili i slika nije bila odmah dostupna.

Sonda koja je pratila raketu sa kamerama se raspala. Fotografije udarca raketa u Mesečevu površinu i pečurka od 10 kilometara lunarne prašine, nisu snimljene.Čitava misija je organizovana kako bi teorija ima li vode na Mesecu konačno bila potvrđena.

Prva i veća raketa trebalo je da udari u krater Kabeus na Mesecu snagom od čiji je ekvivalent 1,5 tona TNT eksploziva kako bi stvorila krater veličine polovine Olimpijskog bazena.

Druga raketa trebalo je da bude snage trećine prve.

Projurivši kroz oblak prašine, sonda je svojim instrumentima i kamerama prikupila dragocene podatke i snimke koje je poslala natrag na Zemlju.

Prilikom pada, obe letelice su išle brzinom od 9.500 kilometara na čas.

Cilj ovog svojevrsnog "bombardovanja" je otkrivanja tragova vode ispod površine Meseca kao deo priprema ambicioznog plana ponovnog slanja astronauta na Mesec, vrednog preko 80 milijardi dolara.

http://www.b92.net/info/vesti/..._category=15&nav_id=385815

Ako se ispostavi da je sve bilo dosadno kao što je izgledalo, onda je moguće da površina nije reagovala na udar onako kako smo očekivali. To bi moglo da znači i da nećemo dobiti dovoljno podataka, što bi stvarno bilo šteta", rekao je Vinsent Eke, profesor na Univerzitetu u Duramu, koji je bio jedan od stručnjaka zadužen za odabir "mete".

http://www.blic.rs/svet.php?id=114783

Instruments on the second spacecraft identified a flash from the initial impact as well as a crater, but the expected debris cloud was not evident.

tako da,ostajem pri misljenju da je glupost sto hoce i van zemlje da prave svet smeca i unistenja

ako ce to sto otkriju cestice na mesecu ubrzati razvoj za izvlacenje vode na najnepovoljnijim uslovima,podrzavam [taj,znaci deo sa vodom] projekat,jer ce onda u doglednije vreme doci to i do zemlja na planeti zemlji siromasnim vodom

i što je još fora, pitanje je dali se uopšte može izaći iz Zemljinog magnetnog polja - mnogi naučnici govore da ne može.

Ova raketa što je sad udarila u Mesec (čitao sam negde) lansirana je još u junu mesecu i kružila je te oko Zemlje pa oko Meseca - valjda je na taj način nabila tu brzinu - 9000kmh.

Tvoja konstatacija da je nesto "glupost" se zasniva na potpuno pogresnim premisama - da se planira nekakvo "naseljavanje meseca" - sto nije tacno, svi trenutni predlozi su fokusirani na male istrazivacke stanice sa malim brojem stalne posade.

Ivan Dimkovic: Most o kome pricam je "projekat" koji je bio pokusan da se progura kao klasican "earmark" projekat (ono, na marginama - + ovo) ali je cela stvar eksplodirala pa je postao sinonim za drzavnu korupciju - neko je trebao dobiti $400 miliona da izgradi most koji bi isao do nekog malog mesta od 50 ljudi.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravina_Island_Bridge

Horvat
menjaju sadrzaj gasova na mesecu

naravno,nece sve svoje fekalije i otpad sigurno pokupiti [za pocetak najnovije,da li planiraju pokupiti ove raketle? tesko]

a je l' napravljena ta letilica koja bi zamenila s. shuttle? koliko trosi? ima mogucnost da sleti na mesec i da se vrati citava?

Ovaj, mesec nema atmosferu... ako prdnes na mesecu, to ce odleteti u medjuplanetarni prostor :-)

Nope, fekalije ce morati da se recikliraju... Na ISS-u se svakodnevno reciklira urin, sta mislis sta se pije tamo :)

The European Space Agency (ESA) is developing technologies that it hopes one day could result in a machine to convert human feces and urine, and exhaled carbon dioxide, into usable substances -- food, water and oxygen -- required to sustain life in space. ESA...

peca26000
Kakav je to cilj koji nema razumne razmere , koja je to americka budala koja dozvoljava otvaranje i ovako jadnog OZONA setanje dalje od zemlje i privlacenje paznje na medije , ovog puta je nesto ne svakidasnje bombardovanje meseca , zna li neklo koje ce posledice biti zbog ovoga !

Pronalaženjem novih resursa bi se taj problem rešio.

Slažem se da treba što manje remetiti njen tok ali u našoj prirodi je da idemo dalje a i mi smo deo prirode :)

stil:

U ovom trenutku čovečanstvo koristi 120% resursa zemlje na kojoj živimo...

World Footprint
Do we fit on the planet?

Today humanity uses the equivalent of 1.3 planets to provide the resources we use and absorb our waste. This means it now takes the Earth one year and four months to regenerate what we use in a year.

Moderate UN scenarios suggest that if current population and consumption trends continue, by the mid 2030s we will need the equivalent of two Earths to support us. And of course, we only have one.

Turning resources into waste faster than waste can be turned back into resources puts us in global ecological overshoot, depleting the very resources on which human life and biodiversity depend.

peca2600 - nije bila upotrebljena cak ni bomba, vec jednostavno
predmet cija je velika brzina i samim tim kineticka energija upotrebljena
da tresne velikom snagom o tlo, napravi krater i podigne prasinu koja ce
biti pokupljena za analizu.

Pazi - bez muke nema nauke. Ta muka moze biti u smislu muke nekog
pojedinca koji se trudi da nesto shvati, ili muke covecanstva, koje zarad
novih saznanja, mora da pretrpi i odredjene "muke".

Za sada u svemir ne mozemo bez raketa (nismo naucili da se nosimo
sa gravitacijom na neki alternativni cistiji nacin), tako da je to sada
nasa "muka", a nauka je nasa teznja da istrazujemo svet oko sebe.

Na ISS-u se svakodnevno reciklira urin, sta mislis sta se pije tamo :)

Ivan Dimkovic: Pa dobro Beltrammi, ne piju svi Lav pivo :)

@peca26000 - izvini, ali ja ne razumem ovo sto si ti napisao,
zbog gramatickih gresaka u (konfuznim stilom pisanim)
recenicama.

The argument that the moon is a dry, desolate place no longer holds water.

Secrets the moon has been holding, for perhaps billions of years, are now being revealed to the delight of scientists and space enthusiasts alike.

NASA today opened a new chapter in our understanding of the moon. Preliminary data from the Lunar CRater Observation and Sensing Satellite, or LCROSS, indicates that the mission successfully uncovered water during the Oct. 9, 2009 impacts into the permanently shadowed region of Cabeus cater near the moon’s south pole.

The impact created by the LCROSS Centaur upper stage rocket created a two-part plume of material from the bottom of the crater. The first part was a high angle plume of vapor and fine dust and the second a lower angle ejecta curtain of heavier material. This material has not seen sunlight in billions of years.

"We're unlocking the mysteries of our nearest neighbor and by extension the solar system. It turns out the moon harbors many secrets, and LCROSS has added a new layer to our understanding," said Michael Wargo, chief lunar scientist at NASA Headquarters in Washington.

Scientists have long speculated about the source of vast quantities of hydrogen that have been observed at the lunar poles. The LCROSS findings are shedding new light on the question of water, which could be more widespread and in greater quantity than previously suspected.

Permanently shadowed regions could hold a key to the history and evolution of the solar system, much as an ice core sample taken on Earth reveals ancient data. In addition, water, and other compounds represent potential resources that could sustain future lunar exploration.

Since the impacts, the LCROSS science team has been working almost nonstop analyzing the huge amount of data the spacecraft collected. The team concentrated on data from the satellite's spectrometers, which provide the most definitive information about the presence of water. A spectrometer examines light emitted or absorbed by materials that helps identify their composition.

"We are ecstatic," said Anthony Colaprete, LCROSS project scientist and principal investigator at NASA's Ames Research Center in Moffett Field, Calif. "Multiple lines of evidence show water was present in both the high angle vapor plume and the ejecta curtain created by the LCROSS Centaur impact. The concentration and distribution of water and other substances requires further analysis, but it is safe to say Cabeus holds water."

The team took the known near infrared spectral signatures of water and other materials and compared them to the spectra collected by the LCROSS near infrared spectrometer of the impact.

"We were only able to match the spectra from LCROSS data when we inserted the spectra for water," said Colaprete. "No other reasonable combination of other compounds that we tried matched the observations. The possibility of contamination from the Centaur also was ruled out."

Additional confirmation came from an emission in the ultraviolet spectrum that was attributed to hydroxyl, one product from the break-up of water by sunlight. When atoms and molecules are excited, they release energy at specific wavelengths that are detected by the spectrometers. A similar process is used in neon signs. When electrified, a specific gas will produce a distinct color. The ultraviolet visible spectrometer detected hydroxyl signatures just after impact that are consistent with a water vapor cloud in sunlight.

Data from the other LCROSS instruments are being analyzed for additional clues about the state and distribution of the material at the impact site. The LCROSS science team along with colleagues are poring over the data to understand the entire impact event, from flash to crater, with the final goal being the understanding of the distribution of materials, and in particular volatiles, within the soil at the impact site.

"The full understanding of the LCROSS data may take some time. The data is that rich," said Colaprete. "Along with the water in Cabeus, there are hints of other intriguing substances. The permanently shadowed regions of the moon are truly cold traps, collecting and preserving material over billions of years."