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The Truth About ZP Technology



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Adam Trombly is one of the top scientists in the world in the development and creation of Zero Point Energy technology. Devices that he built are working today in other parts of the world. And yet, instead of using Zero Point Energy, Adam Trombly's own house in Maui is being fitted with a bank of expensive solar panels.

Why can't Trombly use his own expertise to fuel his own home? Trombly has spent most of his professional life under one gag order or another. But he decided, he told us, "that if I was going to give an interview for this particular publication, I wasn't going to pull any punches."

If much of this seems overly negative, keep reading. Trombly wants to wake us up, and to shine a light upon things that have been kept dark. But his grounding is deeply spiritual. It's just that the Divine forces that seek to assist us cannot do so unless we call upon them. "Now, in this moment," he tells us, "we must come out and ask for help. When we can ask for help, we get it."

Adam Trombly's revelations will shock you to the depths. But it is his hope, and ours, that it will help you to awaken, or to assist you in your task of awakening others.

Trombly's ultimate vision is the "redreaming of the American Dream."


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Adams: How did you become interested in free energy?

Trombly: I was raised as a scientist and I have spoken the language of science all of my life. My mother was a blood specialist, my father was a biochemist, and my sister was at one time a biophysicist.

When my father had just gotten his Ph.D. in biochemistry from Purdue University — I was a young child — he was enlisted as a biochemist, by a fellow Purdue alumnus named Frank Olsen, into a U.S. Air Force/CIA joint project. He was stationed at the biological warfare laboratory in Fort Detrick, Maryland. This was in 1952 during the Korean Conflict. He had been a highly decorated U.S. Army Air Corp officer in World War II, but the government felt that he had a skill of strategic importance to the national security.

At Fort Detrick, he and Olsen, along with a couple of other scientists, were working on a very compartmentalized project. Since he died when I was in the eighth year of this body, I knew very, very little about what this project involved. On the seventh anniversary of his death (4/3/1967) I was in my mother's attic, putting out mousetraps, when I discovered a couple of boxes that contained journals my father had kept during his time at Detrick. You weren't supposed to keep journals, but he did.

One of the things he wrote about in his journals was his exposure to alien technology that totally defied what were considered, at that time and even still to this day, the laws of physics.

He wrote a letter to Dr. Quackenbush, who was on his dissertation board at Purdue, saying that what he had seen challenged even his "most vivid imagination." This was right after he got there.

After he had been there about a year, the notes he wrote got really interesting. He specifically described various technologies which he stated plainly were of "alien origin." He described not only flying disk-shaped craft and their related energy and propulsion systems, but Extraterrestrial Biological Entities. His work was actually concerned with them.

On November 19, 1953, my father (along with Dr. Frank Olson and a couple of other colleagues) was taken by Dr. Sidney Gottlieb to a summer camp near Baltimore. While there, he and his colleagues were involuntarily given large doses of LSD in their cocktails; doses on the order of 10,000 to 15,000 micrograms. Olsen knew about the experiment, and out of concern for my father told him, "Harvey you have been given a psychoactive drug and you are beginning to feel its effects. Don't worry."

Olsen had also taken a large dose of acid, and later freaked out because he said he had, "blown the experiment." It was supposed to be a double-blind experiment for all of the participants other than Olsen. He was supposed to keep silent.

Frank Olsen continued to feel unsettled, and was rushed by CIA personnel to New York for psychiatric examination. Something terrible happened instead. Frank was bludgeoned in the head and then thrown from his hotel room window. He was murdered. This, at least, was the conclusion of forensic pathologists hired by Frank's son Eric in 1994.

My father filed an internal protest demanding an investigation of his friend's and colleague's death, and that was what ultimately triggered the events that killed him.

In January of 1954, under the illusion that he was being immunized from a new retroviral biological warfare agent, he was injected instead with a live virus that he had discovered during his research. He became extremely ill. In his notes, he indicated that he immediately knew. "They killed Frank," he said, "and now they have killed me. The difference is that I will die slowly, very slowly."

He died in 1960, from a form of lymphoma as eleven government labs did morphological workups of his cells.

When I discovered that his death had not been an accident of nature, I was heartbroken. I despaired of life. I sat with a knife a quarter inch into my chest, with blood already trickling down, begging whoever was present at Infinity to reveal the truth of existence.

And in the next moment, I suddenly had no doubt of God or, if you prefer, the Buddha Nature, and I saw things with great clarity.

Adams: Do you believe that we're in denial about the involvement of aliens in the affairs of this planet?

Trombly: The American public has been lied to for so long, they wouldn't be able to recognize the truth if Jesus told them personally.

It's very difficult for the American public to know what is going on. In many ways, we are a nation in denial, and all too often a nation of alcoholics and drug addicts. We are in incredible mass denial.

People see what are referred to as flying saucers and UFOs. Sometimes they are not saucers but triangles. Sometimes they're small, and sometimes they're huge and look like buildings.

It doesn't matter how many people in remote places or in cities see them, or photograph or videotape them. The perceptions are simply shut out.

There are amazing mind-control projects going on. People literally cannot maintain their attention span. More than once I have stood and watched crafts 100 or 200 feet over my head and had people say things like, "Well that's not an airplane," or "Oh, my God, are we actually seeing this?" "Is that real?"

But by the next day, the whole chemistry of denial has set in and those same people say, "Wow, that was a strange airplane, it was going really slow, or really fast, and how did it make that right turn?"

This is what got me started in free energy technology — though I hate the term free energy, because it's anything but free. Many have paid dearly for its advent. I don't even know what term I like at this point. I use the term Zero Point Fluctuation Technology — ZP Technology.

I used to have a company called Zero Point Technology. As soon as you put something like that on your shingle, you discover just how unacceptable this concept is to those whose growth stopped so long ago.

People are being bombarded with subliminal messages that tell them that aliens don't exist. Even The "X-Files," which is a joke (thank God they're canceling it), was originally intended, by Chris Carter, to be something more than just random amusement. It was intended to be groundbreaking. But there's government interference. And this is a huge subject. People don't understand that the "other U.S. government" has had contact for decades with cultures that aren't from this planet.

We're like the aboriginal people of New Zealand, or Papua, New Guinea, or any other remote tribe. When they see an airplane, they think that it is a God — or they at least, they used to. Of course, now they think that it's just people who are more primitive than they are, but who have technology.

We are the same way with "alien" cultures. We are the same way with really clean and advanced electrical technologies that could begin to help us understand just how wonderful and abundant Being — simply being — is.

When I got involved in ZP in 1979, I was warned by Buckminster Fuller that if we were successful there'd be hell to pay. If we were actually successful, then it could develop into a real nightmare, because the humans we're dealing with are a species that has been kept in the dark. We've been treated like mushrooms (which are kept in the dark and fed a lot of feces -- there's no nice way of putting this).

The extremes to which these people are willing to go to make your life miserable are phenomenal. They go out of their way to torment those who challenge their utter mediocrity.

Then there are certain people who hang around in the so-called free energy field, who speak at conferences and who have never discovered, engineered, or invented anything in their entire lives that is worthy of note. What they have done is mediocre at best. I won't name them, but they just haven't produced. These are the people who say, "No one has ever bothered me."

These are the same people who — behind my back and behind the backs of those who have actually produced functional technologies — say, "Well I've never seen anything that he's produced."

Adams: Can you tell us more about this alien agenda?

Trombly: I know that there's an alien agenda because my father wrote this in his journals. He said he had discovered that the U.S. government had become involved in its implementation. He went further to say that this alien agenda, in his opinion, was contrary to the good of the human species and the planet.

He believed that a sector of the military/industrial complex was involved in a program, basically, to transform our atmosphere, which is benign to our species and other Earth species, into one that is greatly reduced in terms of its oxygen content.

So this is a force which doesn't have good intentions for us. It is a force that would gladly exterminate us. And yet human beings act as agents for this force. The "human" species is exterminating itself, by its own hands.

My father spoke of alien agendas in his most secret thoughts. This was not something he spoke of in public. He would never have given this interview, I'll tell you that much.

Adams: What species is this alien force?

Trombly: I can't say, but I can say that the species that are trying to harm us are a tiny minority of a vast host of alien species. My father knew of a couple. It wasn't just one, even back then. This sounds very far fetched — I know it sounds nuts. But I decided if I was going to give an interview for this particular publication, I wasn't going to pull any punches.

Adams: Many of the people who read this will share your belief system.

Trombly: Well, this is not about a belief system. I don't like belief systems! This is about reality! We are the ones who are collectively destroying the womb of the Earth in which our species gestates, in which we evolve.

There are real terrorists in Washington, and even, I dare say, in the White House. And we are very rapidly approaching the time when that statement will be considered criminal. The incident we call 9-11 was a mockery. Now, every time someone dials 911 they'll think of the evil demon Osama bin Laden who in fact is someone we helped to create.

Alkhaida was largely financed by the U.S. government. We gave the Taliban 128 million dollars last year to suppress the growth of opium in Afghanistan. Where do you think that money came from? Where do you think it went?

Everyone thinks the 9-11 was caused by Osama bin Laden and his cronies. There's no doubt that some of his money comes from Saudi Arabia, but the fact is that the U.S. government is the primary source of funding for the Taliban. Why? Because Dick Cheney and his cohorts want to build an oil pipeline through Afghanistan.

Adams: What has happened to the free-energy technologies that you've produced?

Trombly: Every single technology that I have either invented or co-produced is no longer in my possession. There's one in Arizona that has supposedly become a national security issue.

A former colleague of mine once went off on his own with a design that he and I had come up with. He built a device that was very successful — and is now in a can, and he is a shell of his former self.

Forget about whatever technologies I have had a hand in reducing to practice. We have heard from very credible sources that these are nothing compared to the technologies already being produced by certain prime contractors right here in the United States.

Why is it a national security issue? Why is a generator that generates several times more output than input a security issue? Why is it that the American people cannot enjoy what their tax dollars are paying for? Why is it that we have a government that is willing to deny the American people access to the very technologies they themselves are secretly producing?

It's not a joke. Our government has produced technologies, with our tax dollars, that could immediately begin to reverse the damage done by the irresponsible use of fossil fuels, and they are not allowed to be used.

They continue to pollute this atmosphere, and they continue to reduce the amount of metabolically available oxygen. Who could possibly benefit from that? What species do you know of that is actually better off today than, say, fifty years ago?

What is it that we do when we burn these fuels? We make fire. What is fire? Fire is a rapid oxidation process that releases heat. The real destroyers of the equatorial rain forest are forest fires, because of the incredibly poor husbandry. There's nothing good you can say about what's being done to this planet!

There are far too many people in the U.S. government and other national governments who are acting in a way that is completely moronic and self-destructive. It is not a human agenda! This is what I'm trying to get you to see. There is this whole other thing happening.

We are exploited by a corporate structure — by the "military/industrial complex" Dwight Eisenhower warned us against in his farewell address to the nation. Eisenhower got the term "military/industrial complex" from Mussolini, who was describing Fascism. These are words you don't want to use in our society.

At Project Earth we get mail from all over the world, and the one word that keeps coming up since our last so-called presidential election — about that debacle, that tragedy — is the word "coup." From the perspective of the vast majority of the human species, it was a coup. They say this in India, Japan, South Korea, France, Holland, Spain — everywhere. In spite of the fact that we never posted an article on our website that said or even suggested that we had a coup, people write to us and say, "How come the American people don't realize that they just had a coup?"

Then, following on that coup, we have 9-11. Everybody is terrified, but people don't want to talk the way I'm talking now. They think it's self-destructive.

I tell you truly, it is our collective silence that is truly destructive.

The United States of America is a sacred idea. It is a sacred thought-form. What was America to the people who risked and frequently lost their lives to create it? It was the New Jerusalem. The spiritual foundation of the United States of America is an absolute necessity of our spiritual dimension. It was founded on the basis of the absolute need of the human spirit for freedom.

But freedom brings with it great responsibility and demands great intelligence.

We do not want to live in hell, but we are creating hell for ourselves. We are tormenting each other and ourselves. We're doing these things as if we have no choice. We are truly brainwashed.

The real ultimate cult that's going on in America is this one of jingoistic, flag-waving, unquestioning patriotism. We can get ourselves all hyped up on Zoloft, and that still doesn't change the fact that we as a nation have lost an incredible amount of prestige and trust because of what happened in 2000.

No matter how much money we put into the military budget, we will not be able to restore that trust in our own people or in the rest of the world until, through grace or the incarnation of the Divine Process, our democracy is resurrected from its present contrived state. It is a travesty.

When Dick Cheney refuses to turn over documents to investigators, he gives comfort to our enemies. Truly dangerous and deranged people in truly difficult countries like Pakistan cite the actions of our corrupt public officials as justification for their actions.

If we say to the world that we represent Freedom and Democracy, then by God we have an obligation to be Free and Democratic.

In the meantime, the world laughs, because perfectly capable intelligence officers in the United States are oppressed for the sake of short-term political agendas.

The Central Intelligence Agency attempted to warn the White House before September 11. The entire affair was handled with what can only be called incompetence. While three-oletter agencies spent our tax dollars listening to my calls, true terrorists were going to flight. And in spite of over an 18-minute warning crash, a second full-size passenger jet went into the World Trade Center.

Even so, we are all supposed to fall into line and cheer.

Once, in 1986, I was introduced to a man in Toronto, Canada, who turned out to be a major Soviet technology spy. When he offered me a lot of money and a lot of benefits if I would turn over mechanical drawings for an electrical generating technology I had co-invented, I told that agent to go screw himself. I told him I was under a gag order, and that I would not violate that order.

He responded by saying, "What loyalty do you owe to your country? They have done nothing to help you or your work. If you cooperate with us we will appreciate you and take good care of you and your family. Three hundred million people will benefit from your technology. Who cares if a shaft is made in Leningrad or if assembly occurs near Moscow?"

Once again, I told him to go screw himself, to go back to the totalitarian hell that he came from — and then I got the hell out of his office.

In September of 1986, I turned this man in to the FBI — and as a consequence, I ended up under investigation myself!

In February of 1987, the counter-intelligence unit of the FBI contacted me. During my second so-called "interview," one of the special agents who interviewed me was Robert Hanson, now known as a famous spy for the former Soviet Union.

Hanson interviewed me about whether or not I was a spy. But he knew I wasn't a spy, because he was!

It's not just the U.S. government that's suppressing all this stuff, it's the whole theater of this species. The "human" species has rarely demonstrated qualities that say that it should be maintained or can be sustained.

This species has never acted in a way that is consistently to its own benefit. For thousands of years, this species has acted in a manner that can only be described as both sadistic and masochistic, and on a planetary scale. It has not acted intelligently.

At the same time, there is no decision to change, because the vast majority of the human species don't even realize that we have a choice to do that. They don't realize that we have the choice live intelligently. They don't even know or what that would entail.

My protests to the "powers above" are consistently related to this central fact: "I know there's a choice, you know there's a choice, but the general population on this planet has no clue that there's a choice. We can choose to live in a completely abundant and pollution-free environment. We can make that choice and have more abundance, and not less abundance. We can stop spending money for fuel. The capital expenditure for fuel could be completely eliminated. That would free up trillions of dollars annually, globally, from the world budget, from the planetary budget."

If you want to know why I got involved in this technology, it's because we have a way to generate almost boundless levels of electrical power without any pollution or fuel, without even the need for solar panels or wind power.

It's ridiculous that I am installing solar panels in my home, when I have spent the last 23 years of my life in the field of ZP Fluctuation Technology research and development and have one more than one occasion successfully demonstrated it along with colleagues who have also learned the same hard lessons that I have.

Adams: Can we still restore this planet?

Trombly: We can if we act with great clarity and great speed. No obstacle could stand in our path.

We could even reclaim the Sahara Desert. It didn't used to be a desert. It was destroyed by people who cut down the forest and overgrazed the grasslands that were once there. Now the same thing is happening in Brazil, Indonesia, China and South East Asia.

These forests and grasslands are like your skin. What does the skin do? It keeps us from becoming dehydrated. When a person gets third-degree burns, one of the leading causes of death is dehydration. The same thing is true of the forests and grasslands.

It's about maintaining that tissue and understanding that it is very vulnerable. These membranes are being taken away.

We can also reclaim the desert that is forming in the northeastern corner of Brazil, where there was rainforest a hundred years ago. The Brazilian desert exists because the Brazilian people won't stop cutting down their own trees. I say this very bluntly. If the Brazilian people want to demonstrate that they have some intelligence, then they'll stop cutting down the rainforest, which is the equatorial life support of our planet.

If the United Nations and if the American government want to demonstrate their intelligence, then they will suggest that we should give credits to these countries for their oxygen production.

We can reclaim the deserts by these new technologies, by taking the water out of the oceans and using it on the desert.

Where you run into the logjam, over and over with all these issues, is the question of energy.

How can we heal the ozone layer? It's going to take a tremendous amount of energy to do that. We have to replenish the oxygen that's not getting into the stratosphere.

One of the fundamental points that I try to make is about chlorine. It is a molecular demon once it gets into the ozone layer. One chlorine ion can interfere with the production of 100,000 molecules of ozone. So we have to eliminate as much free chlorine and bromine as possible.

But even if we entirely eliminated chlorine and bromine production, that would still not be enough to heal the stratospheric ozone layer.

Another significant cause of ozone depletion, one that is often overlooked, is the reduction in the amount of oxygen that should be transported into the stratosphere over the equatorial rainforests. Project Earth has been trying to educate people to this fact since the mid-eighties. The oxygen source has literally been cut off by deforestation. But we can heal that by reintroducing a tremendous amount of oxygen up there, and replanting the forest down here, on Earth.

It will take energy. Lots of it.

Adams: Can you describe how your life has been endangered because of your perspectives on free energy?

Trombly: If I had described my life to you since 1980, it would be a long, long story, and it would sound like a bad spy novel.

I've had a number of attempts on my life through really serious poisonings. My wife has had to revive me and give me CPR.

So we've had a whole nightmare component to our life. But we don't live in a nightmare at all. It's quite the opposite.

However, I must say that it has been almost unimaginable at times.

Once, in 1988, I was visited by a couple of scientists at my home in Colorado. One of them was Bob Dratch, a man who has done a lot of work in creating microwave detection equipment, which is widely used by the Department of Defense.

Basically, I was standing in my office, which was a large room, 27 feet long, and Bob Dratch was shaking change in his pocket, to demonstrate that his very sensitive microwave detector could pick up the signal this jingling generated. The signal would appear on the meter and the printout.

I pointed the horn of the device at Dratch to measure the effect. And then, as I pointed the horn away, I kept my finger on the trigger and happened to point it out the window of my office. To our surprise, the alarm went off on the machine! The red light went on, and the meter peaked.

My office was being microwaved!

We walked into my back yard and found the place where the signals were being broadcast. It was right behind my house, in a little forest, right next to an engineering company that is well known for making satellite antennas.

We clipped the cable to the antenna that was broadcasting microwaves at my house, and I called the FCC in Denver and I said told them that this was illegal and I wanted it stopped now. I said, "Stop microwaving me." I already had cancer.

Within three weeks, this engineering company was totally gone. I assume they themselves had something to do with the broadcast, or they wouldn't have left so suddenly.

So dozens of people had to relocate to Kansas, or whereever.

But why were they trying to kill this body? We are perplexed at times by the strange modus operandi of this group.

The world is not going around very well right now, because people aren't loving. When people love, they become geniuses. Intelligence isn't about thinking, it's about feeling. I don't care how many times the force of darkness, which resists love, has attacked you and made you feel separate.

I don't care how difficult anyone's life has been. I guarantee you, I can match it. But suffering is finite, it's limited, it's not eternal. You can transcend suffering through love.

The resurrection we are called to is our resurrection. Once Jesus stood in front of Lazarus' tomb, and commanded, "Lazarus, come out." And we are told that Lazarus came out.

That is similar to what is happening right now. Surrounding this planet, there is a gathering which is inviting the human species into a new dimension. They are saying, "Lazarus come out, come out of your subjective tomb and out of your corruption. Come out of your doubt of God and out of your doubt of Love. In the midst of Infinity and Eternity, We command you."

Now, in this moment, we must come out and ask for help. When we can ask for help, we get it.

People don't understand that you become realized by incarnating love. We live only as expressions of love, in eternity. The only thing that is eternal is Love. Love as the presence of consciousness is eternal and infinite.

Time and space are subsets of eternity and infinity. Space and time are subjective states, and they have nothing to do with limiting the ultimate reality of consciousness, not even a little bit. They have to do with the gnarled subjective states of the contracted world.

Scientists talk about the accelerating expansion of the universe, but it's not that, it's the unremitting transformation of the universe that's happening, the inescapable transformation of the universe.

You don't have a choice about it this time. It isn't the same as it was two thousand years ago. We are in the midst of the time of the resurrection. It involves you and me and everyone on this planet, I don't care who they are.

There will be miracles everywhere. The most powerful thing is love. The whole astrophysical community is now acknowledging this power, but they call it the "dark energy." They give it this Darth Vader quality, because they don't know how to relate to the Light. It is the contraction of form and the denial of the Infinite Divine that causes the appearance of darkness.

Adams: How long has there been a conspiracy to prevent the development of free energy?

Trombly:Well, if you are referring to the technological side of things, I guess you could say it started with Nikola Tesla. (Although the crucifixion was really an attempt to stop Free energy as well.)

Nikola Tesla was given the vision of infinite electrical power, without fuel, in the 1880s. He demonstrated it in 1886 and 1889, and then throughout the 1890s. He tried to give this gift, but the fossil fuel boys decided he couldn't give it. The fossil fuel boys decided that maybe they could make use of him, so they didn't kill him right away. They killed Tesla in 1943.

One of the detectives approached me in 1981, at a conference. This man told me that Tesla had been murdered. So I guess you could say that it all began right there. When I was a kid in school, nobody knew about Tesla. Tesla was the father of alternating current electricity. Tesla said he was inspired by aliens, beings from other dimensions. He was anathematized because he refused to kowtow; he refused to attend the same temple that the others worshipped in.

Adams: How can we make free energy available to the planet?

Trombly: There is no such thing as free energy without enlightenment and liberation. The technologies point to free energy. We are the technology. We are the free energy.

Great yogis like Sri Babaji demonstrate this. Yogananda talked about him. He was the physical demonstration of free energy. He was the physical demonstration of what the Tibetans called the Rainbow Body. He was transparent and transfigured in God realization, the realization of the Buddha Nature.

There are alien cultures and cultures in other universes who happen to be attentive to the events on this planet because this is one of the last archetypal moments. This will not continue anymore. This entire kind of universe is obsolete and will not occur again, because it would be masochism and sadism to allow it to be perpetuated.

There's a transformation that is occurring. It is about the liberation of all the energy that has been bound up in all of these worlds that are subject to corruption. That is the real physics. This is what is really important.

In the meantime, by understanding that this is true, we can tap into a field that we call Zero Point Vacuum Fluctuation or the quantum ether, and we can generate electrical power. Electrical power exists in complete abundance, without any capital cost for fuel.

Solar technology is so very expensive. We have 108 solar panels in our two facilities on Maui and it takes up a great deal of space. I would love to have ZP Technology here, but the fact of the matter is, if I had that working right now, this place would become a target.

The other side of this story is always the same thing. Just when Light appears on this planet, the subjective forces of darkness manifest with great tenacity. This government was overthrown and nobody knows anything about it. People are silent about it.

On the cover of Newsweek, on September 11, was an article about the secret vote that made Bush president. The article was about a conspiracy in the Supreme Court. Newsweek at that time was willing to challenge the Supreme Court. The Executive Branch of the United States government was about to fall, because it was going to be exposed.

But then the planes hit the World Trade Center.

If Al Gore had been elected, I know the man well enough to know that we would have been in a different economy after four years. We would've begun to implement these technologies.

The United States government has, right now, the technology to eliminate the energy crisis. This consoling gesture that George Bush made the other day, about developing hydrogen fuel-cell technology, is just a carrot that he's dangling before the American people.

Now there are military people who have come forward and are talking about the presence of aliens and alien technology on this planet. They are even talking about the fact that we are making our own flying saucers. This Disclosure Project is extremely important for people to know about (see Secrets from the Stars elsewhere in this issue).

We could be having the greatest economic boom in the history of history. We could actually do that. The technology exists. As early as the 1970s, Henry Kissinger, George Bush, Richard Nixon — all kinds of these guys — knew about this physics. But the downside is that we are on the brink of oblivion.

Parents are paying all this money to educate their children into the lie of physics instead of the truth of physics. Meanwhile, they are taking Prozac. We have legalized the anesthetization of our species. Depression is appropriate.

Adams: What is the purpose of your organization, Project Earth.

Trombly: The original foundation of Project Earth was to reveal to the human species the actual condition of our planet. We're not being told the truth about it. For the most part, the scientific community doesn't know the truth and has been so disempowered by their so-called education that they've lost vision.

Vision is the only thing that will save us. You have to be able to see where you're going.

The agreement that I made with the Divine is one that Bucky and I talked about. We would never just illuminate the problem, we would always offer a solution. If we talked about an energy crisis, we would talk about only it in the context of the fact that there is no energy crisis.

Electrical power is already abundantly available, pollution free. We like electricity. We can power our cars and flying saucers with infinite electrical power. We could have so much fun that living on earth wouldn't be a drag, but would be really great.

Your eyes would be so open that you would walk out the door and you wouldn't see the smog in Los Angeles, but you'd see the clear, sacred air.

Project Earth is not just about communicating the problems. It's about the transformation of humanity.

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Adam Trombly, Director of Project Earth, is an internationally acknowledged expert in the fields of Physics, Atmospheric Dynamics, Geophysics, Rotating and Resonating Electromagnetic Systems, and Environmental Global Modeling.

Taking the advice of his friend and mentor R. Buckminster Fuller, Adam has maintained a "synergistic, global view" within a multi-disciplinary scientific background. From this perspective, Adam offers unique insights into the changes humankind has effected on our environment, and the adjustments our future requires of us.

For further information about Project Earth, please visit ProjectEarth.com.

Trombly and Celeste Adams spoke on January 21, 2002.




[Ovu poruku je menjao Rbeer dana 08.12.2014. u 10:43 GMT+1]
[ Java Beograd @ 08.12.2014. 10:26 ] @
Wow ! Ko bi se tome nadao !
[ lucky88 @ 08.12.2014. 10:59 ] @
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Java Beograd: Wow ! Ko bi se tome nadao !


Na Zapadu ništa novo.
[ endre85 @ 08.12.2014. 12:14 ] @
Pre nego sto uzalud izgubis vreme na prevod, preporucio bih da procitas ovaj tekst.

Ako i dalje imas vremena, a zeleo bi ga iskoristiti pametno, nabavi knjige The Feynman Lectures on Physics ili jednostavno kreni odavde.
[ lucky88 @ 08.12.2014. 12:48 ] @
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endre85: Pre nego sto uzalud izgubis vreme na prevod, preporucio bih da procitas ovaj tekst.


Ko je ovaj bloger uopšte, i kakvim on argumentima, osim teorije zavere, rasplaže? I filmskim kritikama.

Na ZP Tehnologiju ne mogu se primeniti zakoni termodinamike
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the concept of converting some amount of zero-point energy to usable energy cannot be ruled out in principle. Zero-point energy is not a thermal reservoir, and therefore does not suffer from the thermodynamic injunction against extracting energy from a lower temperature reservoir.


Tesla je dobro poznavao fiziku. Mnogo bolje nego što se smatra u profesorskom esnafu.
[ djoka_l @ 08.12.2014. 14:39 ] @
Dimkoviću, dobio si plus od mene za gornji post
[ endre85 @ 08.12.2014. 15:12 ] @
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lucky88:
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endre85: Pre nego sto uzalud izgubis vreme na prevod, preporucio bih da procitas ovaj tekst.


Ko je ovaj bloger uopšte, i kakvim on argumentima, osim teorije zavere, rasplaže? I filmskim kritikama.

Na ZP Tehnologiju ne mogu se primeniti zakoni termodinamike
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the concept of converting some amount of zero-point energy to usable energy cannot be ruled out in principle. Zero-point energy is not a thermal reservoir, and therefore does not suffer from the thermodynamic injunction against extracting energy from a lower temperature reservoir.


Tesla je dobro poznavao fiziku. Mnogo bolje nego što se smatra u profesorskom esnafu.



Nije bitno ko je taj bloger kada izlaze cinjenice kao sto su:

In addition, the Thrive movie bills him as a “physicist.” Not a single academic degree is mentioned from any accredited institution.

Keep in mind:

Adam Trombly does not appear to have academic credentials in physics. (If I am wrong about this, and readers can present evidence that he does, I will correct this blog immediately).
Adam Trombly claims that his machine does something that we believe to be impossible given our current understanding of the laws of physics.
Trombly’s design was the basis for a machine built in India and investigated, and found not to work at all.
Trombly has not presented any evidence that his machine actually works.
Trombly has not presented any evidence that his design has been suppressed by the government and/or business interests.
In direct logical contradiction to his claim of suppression, he admits he was invited to demonstrate his device in an open forum before some of the very official bodies who are part of the institutions he claims are suppressing him—which would entail considerable risk to the suppression plot, if his claims were true.


Za vise referenci procitati ceo tekst.

p.s.: Filmskim kritikama?
p.p.s.: U profesorskom cemu?!
[ lucky88 @ 08.12.2014. 16:33 ] @
Veoma je Bitno ko je bloger. Isto kao što je bitno i ko je Adam Trombly. Na blogu može da piše on šta hoće. Uglavnom piše
o teoriji zavere i filmu Thrive .

Profesori sa nekih fakulteta su svojevremeno pričali o Tesli, kao da je on njihov neuki student, i spominjali
da je on Tesla, trebao da bolje prouči Maksvelove teorije. Kakva sramota za profesiju!
[ Ivan Dimkovic @ 08.12.2014. 20:15 ] @
Vidi, to sto je neko nazvao Teslu budalom ne znaci da su sve budale Tesla. Stavise, statisticki su sanse da je neka budala jos neotkriveni genije bliske nuli, tako da ako naletis na nekog sarlatana sto je upravo "otkrio" revolucionarni izvor energije, pripazi na novcanik i proveri da li ti radi AdBlocker u browseru.

Zapravo, do sada si sigurno to trebao da ukapiras posle puno Internet energetskih revolucija. Ako nisi, imam jako dobar dil za Ajfelovu kulu ili par nuklearnih reaktora, javi ako te zanima.

Nego, da li neko moze da objasni zasto se Teslino ime asocira sa svakojakim sarlatanima danas? To sto je Tesla za tadasnje standarde bio cudak apsolutno nema veze sa sodatnim faktom (sitnicom) da je bio genije i razlog zasto ga pamtimo nisu njegovi brkovi vez pronalasci koji rade

Kada bi bilo dovoljno da hranis golubove i zivis u hotelu danas bi putovali na Mars kao do Panceva. Ali avaj.
[ lucky88 @ 09.12.2014. 10:03 ] @
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Ivan Dimkovic: tako da ako naletis na nekog sarlatana sto je upravo "otkrio" revolucionarni izvor energije, pripazi na novcanik i proveri da li ti radi AdBlocker u browseru.

Zapravo, do sada si sigurno to trebao da ukapiras posle puno Internet energetskih revolucija.

To sto je Tesla za tadasnje standarde bio cudak apsolutno nema veze sa sodatnim faktom (sitnicom) da je bio genije i razlog zasto ga pamtimo nisu njegovi brkovi vez pronalasci koji rade

Kada bi bilo dovoljno da hranis golubove i zivis u hotelu danas bi putovali na Mars kao do Panceva. Ali avaj.


For the record: Ja nikada ne bih kupio i jedan od "free energy generatora" koji se nude u kitu i sa uputstvom
za sastavljanje.Čak i kada bih imao dovoljno novca i za bacanje.
To su uređaji zasnovani na kvantnoj mehanici bazično. Samogradnja na amaterskom nivou je nezamisliva.

Ovaj čovek Adam Trombly, tvrdi da je radio na konstrukciji takvih uređaja i da je imao rezultate, ali nikakve u poređenju sa
uređajima koji su izgrađeni..(vidi u tekstu). Samo ukazuje na to da se sa viših pozicija potiskuje "energetska revolucija".
I poziva na neku Utopiju, koja je očigledno neostvariva. Kao što piše u tekstu, prođeš kroz "pakao" ako radiš nešto na tome.
Klasična teorija zavere, zar ne.

Njegov "Project Earth" ne nudi nikakve proizvode. Svako može da se uveri.

Ako već pričamo o Teslinim pronalascima, koji to njegovi pronalasci ne rade.

Ne bi se utopija desila, čak da je Tesla živeo i do današnjih dana.
Ja nisam nikakav "sledbenik" ili revolucionar, ali rekao bih da ti Dimkoviću živiš u mraku.(vidi u tekstu na početku, opis situacije).

Nemam nikakvu nameru da uvredim ikoga u ovoj diskusiji, uključujući i pomenutu profesorsku profesiju. For the record.

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[Ovu poruku je menjao lucky88 dana 09.12.2014. u 11:43 GMT+1]
[ Rbeer @ 10.12.2014. 08:04 ] @
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djoka_l:
Dimkoviću, dobio si plus od mene za gornji post :)


Koji post?
[ Rbeer @ 10.12.2014. 08:37 ] @
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Ivan Dimkovic:
Nego, da li neko moze da objasni zasto se Teslino ime asocira sa svakojakim sarlatanima danas?


Nisi u pravu. Šarlatani se ne povezuju sa Teslom. Koriste se njegovim idejama.
Kao i što se njegovi pronalasci koriste u "različite" svrhe na višim nivoima.
Koji šarlatani?
[ Ivan Dimkovic @ 10.12.2014. 10:23 ] @
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lucky88
Ako već pričamo o Teslinim pronalascima, koji to njegovi pronalasci ne rade.


Nemam pojma, nisam se bavio istorijom Teslinog rada, medjutim to pitanje pokazuje da si potpuno promasio poentu.

A poenta je: danas se izucavaju Teslini pronalasci zato sto rade, a ne zato sto ih je smislila osoba sa imenom Nikola Tesla ili osoba koja je hranila golubove i zivela u hotelu ili osoba koja je drugima izgledala kao cudak. Osim funkcionisanja pronalazaka (kao i eventualnog objasnjenja zasto / kako funkcionisu) sve ostalo je potpuno sporedna trivija i sum sto se nauke tice.

To ne znaci da sve te sekundarne stvari nisu zanimljive posebno u nekom drugom smislu (istorije, itd.), ali nemaju nikakve veze sa razlogom zasto je Tesla danas poznat i cime je zaduzio ceo svet.

Ista stvar vazi i za sve druge velikane nauke koji su bili nesumnjivi geniji i ciji je doprinos covecanstvu neprocenjiv.:

- Njutn je bio religijski fanatik i njegove "teorije" van domena fizike i matematike su gomila besmislica. Naravno, razlog zasto deca u skoli znaju za njegovo ime nije zbog tih budalastina (koje su potpuno zaboravljene i koje se pominju samo u istorijskom kontekstu), vec zato sto je covek bio genije koji je revolucionarizovao fiziku i matematiku na toliko dubok nacin da se broj ljudi koji su doprineli nauci na toliko dubok nacin moze pobrojati na prste jedne ruke.

- Ajnstajn je u kasnijem periodu zivota uporno pokusavao da diskredituje fiziku koja je nastavila da se razvija (insistiranjem na tzv. lokalnom realizmu) i njegovi stavovi u tom smislu su kasnije dokazani kao netacni. Naravno, danasnji ucenici i studenti znaju za Ajnstajna ne zbog njegovog neuspesnog pokusavanja odrzavanja lokalnog realizma, vec zbog njegovih fundamentalnih doprinosa fizici

Primera ima jos jako puno.

Bas kao i Tesla, ova dva velikana su, takodje bili "cudaci", takodje u momentu njihovog najveceg stvaranja su prosecni savremenici u istom domenu imali problema sa prihvatanjem ili cak razumevanjem doprinosa.

Ali nista od toga nije relevantno - relevantna su samo dela.

Njutnovi zakoni su prosli visevekovni test (i samo su, prakticno, "doradjeni" za ekstremne situacije gde je njihova preciznost nedovoljna), Njutnov doprinos matematici je vecan (racun), Ajnstajnove teorije relativnosti su eksperimentalno ne samo potvrdjene vec su kljucne danas i u svakodnevnom zivotu (GPS), Teslin doprinos u vidu sistema za prenos elektricne energije dolazi do svacijeg doma.

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ali rekao bih da ti Dimkoviću živiš u mraku.(vidi u tekstu na početku, opis situacije).


Slobodan si da me "osvetlis" sa funkcionalnim revolucionarnim generatorom. Do tada, bojim se da mahanje rukama i Internet postove ne mogu prihvatiti kao dokaz postojanja nekakvog revolucionarnog generatora.

Ta prica da se nesto, navodno, bazira na kvantnoj mehanici pa, samim tim, entuzijasti ne mogu da proizvedu takav uredjaj i da se "suzbija" potencijalni institucijalni razvoj je, da prostis, klasicna teorija zavere i komotan izgovor zasto neko nje*ra sa Interneta ne funkcionise.
[ djoka_l @ 10.12.2014. 12:15 ] @
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lucky88:
Ako već pričamo o Teslinim pronalascima, koji to njegovi pronalasci ne rade.


Bolje pitanje je: ko uopšte zna da nabroji Tesline pronalaske koji rade!
Tesla je imao oko 300 patenata. Ako neko treba da nabroji šta je to što radi, najviše što neko može da se seti je: generator naizmenične električne struje (i asinhroni motor), kao i pionirski radovi na pronalsku radija (teledirigovani brodić).

Sa druge strane, Tesla je bio loš fizičar. Njegovo shvatanje fizike je bilo na nivou poznavanja fizike 19. veka. Čak i neke oblasti fizike koji su bili poznati u negovo vreme, vrlo je slabo shvatao.

Tesla je bio pristalica teorije etera. Nije poznavao Maksvelove i Hercove radove.
Tesla nije nikada shvatio kvantnu fiziku. Nije priznavao da postoje čestice manje od atoma i odbijao je da prizna da postoji elektron.
Tesla nije prihvatio teoriju relativnosti. Tvrdio je da ima drugačiju teoriju, ali nikada je nije dao.
Tesla je tvrdio da može da napravi radar koji može da detektuje podmornice, tj. da njegov radar može da prođe kroz vodu.
Tesla je bio pristalica eugenike. Smatrao je da nepodobni treba da se prisilno sterilišu.
Tesla je smatrao da visokofrekventni elektromagnetski zraci imaju blagotvorni uticaj na povećanje inteligencije, pa da učionice na univerzitetima treba da imaju ugrađene antene u zidovima, kako bi studenti bili pametniji.
Tesla je dao predlog za novu proizvodnju gvožđa, tako da se koriste njegovi generatori za elektrolizu vode, pa da se onda tako dobijeni vodonik, koristi kao gorivo za topljenje rude. Smatrao je da bi gubici bili veoma mali, ako bi se za sagorevanje vodonika koristio atmosferski kiseonik, umesto onoga koji se dobije u procesu elektrolize (što pokazuje koliko je bio loš fizičar).
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The industrial project, as I worked it out six years ago, contemplated the employment of the electric currents derived from the energy of a waterfall, not directly for smelting the ore, but for decomposing water for a preliminary step. To lessen the cost of the plant, I proposed to generate the currents in exceptionally cheap and simple dynamos, which I designed for this sole purpose. The hydrogen liberated in the electrolytic decomposition was to be burned or recombined with oxygen, not with that from which it was separated, but with that of the atmosphere. Thus very nearly the total electrical energy used up in the decomposition of the water would be recovered in the form of heat resulting from the recombination of the hydrogen.

Nikada nije uspeo da osmisli sistem za bežični prenos električne energije. Ništa što je patentirao u ovoj oblasti nema primenu.
Shvatao je elektromagnetno zračenje kao neku vrstu mehaničkih talasa etra.
Poslednjih 50 godina svog rada, nije otkrio ništa novo, iako je stalno tvrdio da je na pragu velikih otkrića.

Sa druge strane za ono što radi zaslužio je čast da se jedna jedinica u SI sistemu zove po njemu.


[Ovu poruku je menjao djoka_l dana 10.12.2014. u 13:37 GMT+1]
[ lucky88 @ 11.12.2014. 07:21 ] @
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djoka_l:Tesla je bio pristalica teorije etera. Nije poznavao Maksvelove i Hercove radove.


Znači u njegovo vreme na univerzitetima se nije predavala elektrotehnika i fizika, bio bi zaključak, ili on nije
slušao predavanja?

Da li ti je poznato kakve je mentalne intelektualne kapacitete imao,fotografsko pamćenje ako se ne varam je jedan primer.

Cela lista ovoga što si naveo o Tesli je naprosto slobodna intepretacija, nečija, ne znam koji su izvori.
Verovatno nekog savremenog šarlatana.
[ djoka_l @ 11.12.2014. 07:55 ] @
Tesla je zavšio fakultet 1878. Maksvel je objavio svoje radove 1862. Prilično je moguće da to što je Maksvel napisao nije ušlo u udžbenike dok je Tesla bio na fakultetu.
Majklson Morli eksperiment je objavljen 1887. Godinama nakon što je Tesla završio fakultet. Normalno da Tesla nije na fakultetu imao drugo tumačenje nego etersko tumačenje prostiranja EM talasa.
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Da li ti je poznato kakve je mentalne intelektualne kapacitete imao,fotografsko pamćenje ako se ne varam je jedan primer.

Da, već sam rekao da je u nekim oblastima napravio revolucionarni proboj, da je po nekim radovima zaslužio sve počasti.
Međutim, problem je što šarlatani sa svih strana sveta hvataju za Teslu u svakoj prilici, čak i kada Tesla nije bio u pravu.
Isto kao što je Njutn bio i alhemičar, pa je tražio eliksir večitog života i način transmutacije olova u zlato.
To ni na koji način ne umanjuje Njutnov doprinos nauci, niti daje kredibilitet alhemiji...
[ lucky88 @ 11.12.2014. 08:11 ] @
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djoka_l:Normalno da Tesla nije na fakultetu imao drugo tumačenje nego etersko tumačenje prostiranja EM talasa.


Onda EM talase koje je proizvodio su bili eterski, ili greška, ili on nije znao šta radi.

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djoka_l:Tesla je zavšio fakultet 1878. Maksvel je objavio svoje radove 1862. Prilično je moguće da to što je Maksvel napisao nije ušlo u udžbenike dok je Tesla bio na fakultetu.


Onda on nije pratio šta se objavljuje, bio neinformisan, ili šta?

Ne znam koji se sve to šarlatani sa svih strana sveta hvataju za Teslino ime. Znam da mnogi kredibilni naučnici ozbiljno shvataju
njegov rad. Mnogi samo navode njegovu ideju bežičnog prenosa energije.
[ lucky88 @ 11.12.2014. 08:36 ] @
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Ivan Dimkovic: Slobodan si da me "osvetlis" sa funkcionalnim revolucionarnim generatorom.


Evo puta ka osvetljenju
William Shakespeare:

There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.

I say there is no darkness but ignorance.

When we are born we cry that we are come to this great stage of fools.


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Ivan Dimkovic: Ta prica da se nesto, navodno, bazira na kvantnoj mehanici pa, samim tim, entuzijasti ne mogu da proizvedu takav uredjaj i da se "suzbija" potencijalni institucijalni razvoj je, da prostis, klasicna teorija zavere i komotan izgovor zasto neko nje*ra sa Interneta ne funkcionise.

Ta priča je za Entuzijaste, iako već dugo traje, samo za eksperimentisanje, mogu se dobiti neki rezultati. Da ne širim priču
puno toga ima na Internetu. A nekada su svojeručno gradili parne mašine itd.

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Ivan Dimkovic:- Njutn je bio religijski fanatik i njegove "teorije" van domena fizike i matematike su gomila besmislica.

Njutn je u to doba bio jedan od većih Autoritativnih ličnosti tadašnje Alhemije.
Šta ako bi izneo tvrdnju da je bilo Alhemičara koji su zapravo uspeli u svojim eksperimentima, proizveli zlato.
Naravno da je to pod velom tajne. Šta ja onda sa svim tim sitnicama koje su ili nepoznate ili nepriznate, ne postoje,nisu stvarne?

Evo jedne savremne budalaštine: Tvrdnja da su eksperimenti u CERNU dokazali postojanje Higdovog Bozona.

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Ivan Dimkovic:- Ajnstajn je u kasnijem periodu zivota uporno pokusavao da diskredituje fiziku koja je nastavila da se razvija (insistiranjem na tzv. lokalnom realizmu) i njegovi stavovi u tom smislu su kasnije dokazani kao netacni. Naravno, danasnji ucenici i studenti znaju za Ajnstajna ne zbog njegovog neuspesnog pokusavanja odrzavanja lokalnog realizma, vec zbog njegovih fundamentalnih doprinosa fizici


Njutnovi zakoni na kvantnom nivou, ne postoje. Na "lokalnom" naravno da postoje i funkcioniše cela mašinerija.
Koja proizvodi savremeni Matriks(sinonim za Iluzorni svet). To što ti ne prihvataš nešto, ne znači da to i ne postoji.
Svet je skup mnogo svetova, jedan od njih je i tvoj, sličan ali i ne potpuno identičan sa mnogo drugih.
Svet je talasno polje, pored toga, ali ako se jednostavno držiš nekih ograničenja, veoma uspešno ćeš zaobići Istinu o svetu,
i lepo živeti u zabludi, što je i cilj Matriksa.

I na kraju, niko ne "maše rukama" . Možda to tako izgledaju ta mala talasanja kojima pojedinci pokušavaju da obznane
nešto. Uzaludno, zato mnogi odustanu kada popiju svoju šolju čaja-nauče svoju lekciju. Neki pametniji
osnivaju Projekte i rade sa istomišljenicima, Amerkanci su poznati po Materijalističkom pogledu na svet,pa prikupljaju
donacije, ne žele da žive u pustinji ili na ulici. Ali ipak rade humane stvari u tim projektima.

Verujem da je to bila poenta ove teme.


[ djoka_l @ 11.12.2014. 08:39 ] @
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Ne znam koji se sve to šarlatani sa svih strana sveta hvataju za Teslino ime. Znam da mnogi kredibilni naučnici ozbiljno shvataju
njegov rad. Mnogi samo navode njegovu ideju bežičnog prenosa energije.


Pogledaj prvi post - eto ti jednog šarlatana.
A što ti sada menjaš iskaz, kada sam ti dokazao da nisi u pravu?

Rekao si:
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Ako već pričamo o Teslinim pronalascima, koji to njegovi pronalasci ne rade.

a ja sam ti dao spisak Teslinih promašaja.
Onda si pitao:
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Znači u njegovo vreme na univerzitetima se nije predavala elektrotehnika i fizika, bio bi zaključak, ili on nije slušao predavanja?

a jasam ti pokazao da to o čemu sam pisao Tesla nije mogao da uči na fakultetu.
Onda ponovo izvrćeš tezu, pišeš:
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Onda on nije pratio šta se objavljuje, bio neinformisan, ili šta?

Da pratio je, ali nije prihvatao i nije razumeo, što sam napisao:
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Tesla je bio pristalica teorije etera. Nije poznavao Maksvelove i Hercove radove.
Tesla nije nikada shvatio kvantnu fiziku. Nije priznavao da postoje čestice manje od atoma i odbijao je da prizna da postoji elektron.
Tesla nije prihvatio teoriju relativnosti. Tvrdio je da ima drugačiju teoriju, ali nikada je nije dao.

Kada sam napisao "nie poznavao" nisam mislio da nije nikada čuo, nego da nikada nije shvatio suštinu. Njegovi savremenici su rekli da bi on mogao da uštedi 90% vremena, kada bi prvo seo pa izračunao, nego što pokušava da nešto napravi metodom probe i greške.
[ lucky88 @ 11.12.2014. 08:48 ] @
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djoka_l: Kada sam napisao "nie poznavao" nisam mislio da nije nikada čuo, nego da nikada nije shvatio suštinu. Njegovi savremenici su rekli da bi on mogao da uštedi 90% vremena, kada bi prvo seo pa izračunao, nego što pokušava da nešto napravi metodom probe i greške.


Nije shvatao suštinu, znači bio je glup ili priglup ili šta već?

Ne menjam ništa, i ništa nisi dokazao ili opovrgao. Možemo ovako beskrajno.

Ovaj na početku po mom mišljenju nije šarlatan. Ti misli šta hoćeš.

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[ djoka_l @ 11.12.2014. 08:57 ] @
A tvoje mišljenje o stručnosti Adama Tromblija je relevantno? Nisi pogledao link koji je ostavio endre85:
http://thrivedebunked.wordpres...011/12/09/who-is-adam-trombly/

Izdvajam samo jedan deo teksta sa linka
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Are Trombly’s claims reliable?

I am not going to spoon-feed an answer to this question to you, the readers of this blog. I invite you to draw your own conclusions. Keep in mind:

Adam Trombly does not appear to have academic credentials in physics. (If I am wrong about this, and readers can present evidence that he does, I will correct this blog immediately).
Adam Trombly claims that his machine does something that we believe to be impossible given our current understanding of the laws of physics.
Trombly’s design was the basis for a machine built in India and investigated, and found not to work at all.
Trombly has not presented any evidence that his machine actually works.
Trombly has not presented any evidence that his design has been suppressed by the government and/or business interests.
In direct logical contradiction to his claim of suppression, he admits he was invited to demonstrate his device in an open forum before some of the very official bodies who are part of the institutions he claims are suppressing him—which would entail considerable risk to the suppression plot, if his claims were true.

None of these six points are absolutely conclusive on their own (though I would argue that points 3 and 4 are pretty close to conclusive). However, all six points together definitely seem to point unmistakably in a certain direction.

I’m sure Adam Trombly is a nice person, and from the movie he seems to be a smart person. I for one would love to have a beer with him and have him explain to me how his device works. On the basis of the evidence I have seen—and the evidence I haven’t seen that I would like to see—I am skeptical that his claims of building working “free energy” devices are correct.


Inače, tekst je pun linkova na druge izvore, pa možeš i sam da proveriš...
[ lucky88 @ 11.12.2014. 09:27 ] @
Taj bloger, kao što sam već spominjao, krije svoj identiet, čak tvrdi: "Who Wants Me Dead?", pri tome navodi
komentare na svom blogu. Znači ima i nevernika koji ne piju vodu sa njegovog "bunara". Ili bare
On neka slobodno nastavi da se bavi teorijama zavere, to je njegovo pravo.

Na Project Earth web strani, je nešto malo pisano o njemu, vrlo malo.

Naravno da ima puno linkova ka drugim izvorima. Ali glavna tema je slobodna energija i ekologija.

Među svim tim tricama i kučinama, UFO stvarima, Illuminati conspiracy itd, mogu se naći i prave stvari.
Već rekoh da je Amerčki san podosta materijalistički, zašto ne bi onda okupili što više sledbenika
i u Humane svrhe ih pokrenuli. Kao i mnoge druge organizacije na svetu, mnogo pravih znalaca i mnogo naivnih, ali zajedno su jači.

Verujem da je poenta ove teme o Humanosti.


poz
[ lucky88 @ 30.12.2014. 17:45 ] @
Citat:
djoka_l: A tvoje mišljenje o stručnosti Adama Tromblija je relevantno? Nisi pogledao link koji je ostavio endre85:
http://thrivedebunked.wordpres...011/12/09/who-is-adam-trombly/

Izdvajam samo jedan deo teksta sa linka


Inače, tekst je pun linkova na druge izvore, pa možeš i sam da proveriš...
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A ti si napisao ovo "Ja hoću da verujem" , kao neki dokaz ili šta već. A u prethodnim porukama čitave tirade o
nestručnosti Nikole Tesle. To je po tebi relevantno, čista kao jutarnja rosa, tvrdnja - "Ja neću da verujem".
A na osnovu čega, nisi pokazao nikakvu kopmpetentnost da napišeš dva smislene rečenice o temi.
Mogao bi da se elaborira čitav naučni rad na osnovu prethodnih poruka, tvojih i drugih.
Misliš da znaš sve, a ne znaš ništa očigledno.
[ lucky88 @ 31.12.2014. 08:43 ] @
Bilo je, izgleda, dovoljno da samo neko natukne da je neki profesor, sa nekog Elektrotehničkog fakulteta, nekada nešto
rekao o Tesli i Maksvelovim jednačinama, da bi se odmah osula paljba po Tesli. A taj nazovi profesor je to izjavio
nakon svog sopstvenog izučavanja Maksvelovih proračuna, i svoje percepcije, sužene do te mere da i nije
shvatio do kraja te jednačine. I sa oduševljnjem, posle napornog rada i pogrešnih zaključaka se usudio da to prenosi i dalje.
Kao da je on sam napisao tu teoriju. Mogao je da ogrne i neku odoru i osnuje svoj kult isto tako.

Tesla je i te kako dobro poznavao i Ajnštanovu teoriju, i šta više bio u stanju da uvidi nedostatke iste.
Samo kao primer, slobodno proglašena konstanta koja važi u celom poznatom univerzumu, brzina svetlosti,
je netačna. Tesla je eksperimentalno dokazao. A tek kako je oborio I Hertzovu teoriju i Maksvela zajedno.
[ vladd @ 06.01.2015. 14:14 ] @
Mislim da se slabo razumeju termini "tacno", "dovoljno tacno" i termin "konvencija"..itd...

Kada se to razjasni, ili razbistri, bice mnogo manje spektakularnih izjava...
[ lucky88 @ 06.01.2015. 17:18 ] @
Ti bi mogao da prvo pročitaš celu temu, drugo da saznaš više o Teslinom radu, treće da konkretno proveriš da li znaš o čemu se radi
u Teslinom odnosu prema Ajnštanovim proračunima.

[ vladd @ 07.01.2015. 13:48 ] @
MIslis?

Nije dosta da citam kako se frljate sa terminima, NAKON sto ste "proucili" Teslin rad?
[ Keez-a @ 07.01.2015. 18:07 ] @
Umišljeni poznavaoci raznorazniv vidova "energije", trenutno nemaju šta pametno da rade pa laprdaju po forumuma i prljaju normalne teme.
Mada, kol'ko mi se čini, moderacija ne spava
[ lucky88 @ 08.01.2015. 07:46 ] @
Pa ne možeš da znaš, jer nikakavi pisani dokumenti nisu dostupni javnosti. Pretpostavka je da su u ono
vreme bili od prevelike važnosti pa su sklonjeni. I sam Tesla uništio neke uređaje. A koliko je poznato nije mnogo ni zapisivao.

Ali vi to već sve znate, zar ne. Iz Wikipedije, koliko se vidi iz prethodnih argumentacija. A i vaša pismenost je dokaz sam po sebi.
Zato vam ni ne trebaju Lektori kada objavljujete svoje radove.

Ili ništa ni ne pišete, samo ste prosečni.

Kada je šolja napunjena do vrha, ne možeš više dosipavati.
Ispraznite svoju šolicu čaja, da bi ste mogli nešto svežije da naspete.
Ustajao vam se taj vaš čaj.

Možete vi da mislite ili da pišete šta hoćete. Činjenice su jače od reči.

A i vidi se na ozonskom omotaču, sav sjaj i veličina Nauke i Naučnih istina-neistina.

Pročitajte celu temu, možda se upali neka zarđala lampica u misaonim tokovima pa bar neke koristi bude.

Tema je prvenstveno o slobodnoj i čistoj energiji, a Tesla je prvi doprineo stvaranju takovih izvora Energije.

p.s
Koja moderacija, koje laprdanje. Imate neki primer gospodine?



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[ vladd @ 08.01.2015. 08:52 ] @
Pa reci nam nesto o toj cistoj energiji, sveprisutnoj, "samo da se uzme"..

Da ne guglamo Wikipedije, pogubismo silno vreme. A pride i najvazniji papiri sakriveni(odakle se samo ovo zna?), koji otkrivaju neverovatna cuda.

Da cujemo veliku istinu sta to propustamo..

P.S.
Cemu osoran stav prema sagovornicima, i prema cistoj energiji, kako Trombli rece
"...We are the technology. We are the free energy..."
[ branko tod @ 08.01.2015. 11:03 ] @


Čista energija
[ lucky88 @ 09.01.2015. 09:56 ] @
Prvo sam "laprdao" a sada i promovišem Likere, šta je sledeće?

Ostalo, no comments.

Nemam nikakve dokaze niti Tajne spise. Pa ne mogu doprineti diskusiji. Vi gospodo ste već dosta doprineli samim učešćem na temi.

Hvala na strpljenju i sretan božić.



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[ lucky88 @ 10.01.2015. 16:32 ] @
"...We are the technology. We are the free energy..."
Eto Trombli je napisao.
Misliš da su ove reči emocionalne?

I hvala još jednom na čitanju teme.

ps.
Da li bih ja sada pisao na forumu da imam na raspolaganju podatke dovoljne za izgradnju ZP generatora. Naravno da ne.
I nije "samo da se uzme". To ti je bog ostavio, ali neki ne vide ni po danu, ni šta im je pred nosom.
Kako Trombli kaže , i sam Isus kada bi im rekao oni ne bi videli.
[ vladd @ 11.01.2015. 10:09 ] @
Mi smo energija a Trombli je bog..kad on kaze, onda je tako..

Cini mi se da Tesla nije bio filozof, pre ce biti da je bio inzenjer i naucnik..i to jedinstven, u svom vremenu.

Jedinstven, posto je sve eksperimente aktuelne u svom vremenu ponovio i izanalizirao na svoj nacin.
A zatim krenuo dalje...u nesto od cega cela planeta ima koristi...
[ lucky88 @ 11.01.2015. 11:00 ] @
vladd, nije Adam Trombli nikakav bog, bar ne meni, ne znam za druge. Ni Tesla isto tako.

Trombli piše Interesantne stvari, dosta toga ne kaže.

Možeš slobodno u kratkim crtama da navedeš u šta to novo je Tesla krenuo i šta cela planeta benefitira od toga.

Ja tvrdim da možda nikada, neće biti dostupne čovečanstvu slobodne energije.
A ti meni nisi ni približno intersantan sagovornik za ovu temu.

Ne znam za druge. Pa nastavite vi drugi i zainteresovani.

Vidim da na Institutu z fiziku nema ni slova o Zero Point energiji. Ako ste "tate" upustite se u to.
[ lucky88 @ 15.01.2015. 10:30 ] @
Zero Point Energy se smatra energijom koja dolazi iz okruženja, kvantnog vakuma, statica itd. Ne postoji u prirodi ništa što se smatra
"Zatvorenim Sistemom". Zatvoreni sistem stvara se veštački, da bi mogli da funkcionišu motori sa unutrašnjim sagorevanjem.
Kada je sisitem otvoren i otvoren za upliv energije spolja, mogu se dobiti takvi efekti da je naizgled dobijena energija u nekoj
veličini, više ili manje, veća od energije koju unosimo u sistem. Postoji snažna tendencija da je tako nešto nemoguće, jer je
protivno Zakonu o Očuvanju energije. Ali nije tako, naprotov, savršeno se uklapa. Ake ne bi, ako bi neki sistem pokazao rad
protovno tom zakonu, taj Zakon bi morao da se modifikuje, u skladu sa novim saznanjima. Tako nešto je nepotrebno, ako sistem
radi, to jednostavno zavisi od toga kako posmatramo, vidimo proces.

Citat:
The Principle
For there to be a greater energy output than the energy input required to make any generator operate, that extra energy must come from somewhere. There is no magic about any of these systems as we ourselves are immersed in a massive energy field. We do not notice this any more than we notice the radio waves which pass by, and through us, all the time.
This energy field is very powerful as Thomas Henry Moray demonstrated many times by gaining fifty kilowatts of electrical power from just a simple aerial and a ground connection. We don’t know how he did that, but we would very much like to know how. Nevertheless, Moray demonstrated that there is massive power all around us – power which is free for the taking if we know how to do it.
Unfortunately, most of the large number of people who do know how to extract this energy, refuse to share that information, leaving us to work out from basic principles, how to gain this free-energy. It should be noted in passing, that we already use this free energy when we use “mains electricity” as none of the energy supplied by the local Power Company actually comes out of your mains wall socket since all of the current supplied by the Power Company flows directly back to that company. All the Power Company does is to set up the conditions which cause some of the free-energy in your location to flow through the electrical equipment which you plug into that wall socket. What free-energy devices do, is to set up those same conditions to draw in electricity from our massive surroundingenergy field, without the need for any help from the local Power Company.


Citat:
Some years ago, Stanley Meyer, a very talented man living in America, found a very energy-efficient way of breaking water into a mixture of hydrogen gas and oxygen gas. He pushed on further and found that a vehicle engine could be run on quite a small amount of this "HHO" gas if it was mixed with air, water droplets and some of the exhaust gas coming from the engine. He got funding to allow him to start manufacturing retro-fit kits which would allow any car to run on water alone and not use any fossil fuel at all. You can imagine how popular that would have been with the oil companies and the government.
Just after getting his funding, Stan was eating a meal at a restaurant when he jumped up, said "I've been poisoned !", rushed out into the car park and died on the spot. If Stan was mistaken, and he died of 'natural causes', then it was remarkably convenient timing for the oil companies and the government, and his retro-fit kits were never manufactured.

Even though Stan left behind many patents on the subject, until recently nobody managed to replicate his very low-power electrolyser,
then Dave Lawton in Wales achieved the feat and many people have since replicated it by following Dave's instructions.
More difficult still is getting an engine to run on no fossil fuel as Stan did, but recently, three men in the UK achieved just that by getting a standard petrol-engined electrical generator to run with water as the only fuel. Interestingly, this is not something which they want to pursue as they have other areas which appeal more to them. Consequently, they have no objections to sharing the practical information on
what they did.



[ lucky88 @ 11.02.2015. 16:16 ] @
Još malo o slobodnoj Energiji.

Tesline reči:

Perhaps it is better in this present world of ours that a revolutionary idea or invention instead of being helped and patted
be hampered and ill-treated in its adolescence- by want of means, by selfish interest, pedantery, stupidity and ignorance;
that it be attacked and stifled ; that it pass through bitter trials and tribulations, through the heartless strife of
commercial existence. So all that was great in the past was ridiculed, condemned, combatted, suppressed - only to emerge
all the more powerfully, all the more triumphantly from the struggle.

N. Tesla


"Today's scientist have substituted mathematics for experiments and they wander off through equation after equation
and eventually build a structure which has no relation to reality."

Nikola Tesla


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Radijantna energija ili Radijantni Talasi ,nasuprot EM talasa, je u početku stvaranja Elektrotehničkih teorija i Inženjeringa, smatrana kao teoretska mogućnost, ali neostvariva u praksi.
Pored toga ipak.To je najjednostavnija stvar u prirodi, ali najteža za većinu da razume, zbog blokada u mišljenjima ili "mind blocks".
Ne postoji Matematika za Radijantnu struju, jer instrumenti ne mere taj tok energije. Čak je i nepotrebno i suvišno dodavati instrumente
na mehanizmima, jer ne postoji način d ase izmeri tok Etera. Mogu se meriti rezultati nakon konvertovanja u konvencionalnu energiju.
Ljudi su imali to mnogo puta, ali ipak jedan mali instrument je stajao na putu ka istini o energiji.
Instrumenti samo mere manji deo odbačene energije koja kruži u električnom kolu.

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Ipak, pored očigledne greške u dosadašnjem razvoju energetike, treba biti oprezan u pristupu Slobodnoj Energiji, jer kao i svuda
mogu se naći oni koji profitiraju, na svojim otkrićima, ne daju potpune informacije. A ima i demonstracija, naročito na YouTube
koje su lažne.

Neki ljudi su potrošili godine života i desetine hiljada dolara, a da su naučili sve osim tajne za kojom su tragali.
Zato oprezan i eksperimentalni način, i učenje je najboli pristup. A rezultat je ultimativna nagrada, za one dovoljno strpljive i hrabre
u svom poduhvatu.

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